SPEAKER_02 0:09

Hello, friends, and welcome back to the Rooted and Grounded Podcast. Gentlemen, it's been a while. It's been a while. Been a while. Excited, man. I'm ready. I'm ready. That's right. Yes, and we are back and gonna get things started. Um, so I know previously, if you've listened, first of all, thank you. Uh, but we followed a pretty similar format of where we have a topic and a couple of subpoints that we build off of it and try to keep it under 30 minutes whenever we can. Um, but since we're kind of starting back fresh after a few months off, we're gonna take a new approach. And that is going to be having maybe a touch less Matt hit this point, Wayne hit this point, and more of a let's develop the full story. And so I don't know if this lesson or or this episode will be 30 minutes or 45 minutes or or how long it will be, but I think it will be a good chance for us to really have a good conversation. And and Matt, why don't you tell everyone what we're going to be talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:12

So I think the the first just real big topic in especially for you know the excitement for all of us is we want to talk about Jesus. And but I I think in order to talk about Jesus, we need to talk about the biggest thing. Who is he? Like, who is this guy? Um, like it what are some qualities about him? And you know, we had kind of uh talked about this briefly, but if we say we're gonna follow this guy, if we say we're gonna serve him, if we say that we're gonna give our life to him, well, you gotta make sure you know who he is. And I mean, uh what this is, even just in what we're gonna talk about today, what it's done for me is it's allowed me to even appreciate who he is even more. Because you're forever learning. You know, Paul talked about that uh idea in Philippians 3 where he says, I want to know Christ. I want to know him, I want to know who he is, I want to know what he's about. And that's, I mean, we're starting in kind of a direction, and like you said, I think ain't no telling where this thing is gonna fly to, you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

But you know, you go back to Philippians 3 when Paul says, I want to know him, then look, look what it brought about in his life. Oh man. You know, when he started saying, Well, I was this, but now when I see who Jesus is and what he is, then it was made an uh obviously a difference then, but for his entire life and honestly all through eternity. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Well, and and so that's what we'll try to do uh both in this episode and the episodes to come of where we try to answer that question, who is Jesus? Because uh, I think just like any person, I mean, there's different layers of who you are. I mean, you all are ministers, your fathers, your husbands, grandfather. I I mean, you have a lot of different labels that you wear, and and that's the same with Jesus, but amplified. And so as we go throughout this series, I I hope everyone will have that thought in mind of who is Jesus and how can I know him better? How can I follow him better?

SPEAKER_05 3:30

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

And and so let's start with with I think probably the biggest aspect of who Jesus is, and that is he's the son of God. Um of all the things that can be used to describe Jesus, this is probably the most consequential and most identity-defining part of his nature and and of his person. And so, Wayne, when we think about Jesus as the son of God, and I know this is a really broad question, but what does that mean? Because there's there's just so many elements there. I mean, you've got kind of the the spiritual, supernatural of, well, who is God? Can he have a son? What does it mean to be the son of God? So uh I guess just start chipping away at what does it mean when we say Jesus is the son of God?

SPEAKER_01 4:19

You know, and chipping away is what it takes, right? Yeah, I mean, we bite the chip. Get the get the hammers out and start chipping because there's so much in that block to chip away. Because in reality, you know, when I Matt and I was talking about this earlier that when you start thinking about Jesus as God's son, I mean, really, that's that's the getting on place of of Christianity. I mean, you know, we could talk about some people want to talk about, well, he was a good teacher, without a doubt. For sure. We don't call him the master teacher for nothing. That's right. Okay? There's a reason and a deep reason why he's called the master teacher. And some says, well, he's he's just a good prophet. True. But is that all he is? No. And I believe to start, he's far more than he is that, but he's far, far, far more than that. When you think about before all of that, before being a prophet, before being a t a a great teacher, not a good teacher, a great teacher. Uh, he was a son of God. And, you know, we were talking about just a few moments ago about the importance of that in not only our lives, but for for the world in which we live, uh, to believe. Because it really comes down to Christianity. If Jesus is not the son of God, then what? Right? Yeah. I mean, what what do we have to stand up on? What do we have to lead? And what do we have uh to base our faith and our foundation upon and being what God would want us to be. But so it all comes back, everything hinges on is he the son of God? Well, when you look in scriptures, it's very obvious, you know, and it's very evident when we look at that, and you begin to chip away, because you remember God says he is. I mean, you know, if God says it, it ought to be pretty uh substantial, you know? It ought to be worth listening to in Matthew chapter 3, you know, when his son had his baptism, you know, a voice came from heaven. And guess what that voice was from God? This is my beloved, not just the son, this is my beloved son. And when you think about the beloved son, it seems to me like that's kind of the top of the top and the best of the best.

SPEAKER_07 6:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Okay. So he says, This is my beloved son. Now, here's the choice. Are we going to listen to him? Or are we not going to? Because he says, It's my beloved son, hear him. Yeah. Listen up, give me your ears. You know?

SPEAKER_02 6:47

And and really that's the gospel decision point is do you believe? Right. Yeah. Um, because if you don't, then I mean, obviously scripture lays out the consequences for it. But if you do, then scripture also lays out the consequences and says, Well, if you believe, then you're gonna pick up your cross. You're gonna be persecuted. You're going to all the hard things, but also all the come to me and I will give you rest, all the the good things that come with it too. But this is a question that neutrality is not an option on. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

Yeah, that's right. Well, he was talking about that, it made me immediately think of Peter in Matthew 16, where he says, Who are people saying that I am? And and one of those things he says is that Peter said, You are the Christ, you're the Messiah, and then he says, the Son of the Living God. Right. And I mean, you know, Jesus goes on to say, based on that statement, I'm gonna build my church. So you that statement is, I mean, in the religious world, what a debated topic. And we stand on the fact that, and we stand out as people who say, just like Peter, I believe that Jesus is not only the Messiah, but he's the Son of God.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Very foundational.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

I mean, it is like the deal. Yeah.

Scripture And Spiritual Witnesses

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Well, and and you think about John 3.16, where it's for God to love the world that he gave his only son. Uh, and and what the result of giving his son was, uh I mean, horrendous in the crucifixion, but also for us very life-giving in the salvation that's offered. And I I I guess maybe that the the first part of our answer to this question of who is Jesus as the Son of God, I I'm going to Colossians chapter one. And and I want to just start reading in verse 15 because it gives a lot of attributes of who Jesus is, but really, even though it doesn't say son of God specifically, it tells us so much about who he is as God's representative, as his offspring. So Colossians 1:15, Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile all things to himself, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of the cross. Um, and and so verse 19, especially, for in him the fullness of God was pleased to dwell. And so when we think who is the Son of God, uh it's God in so many ways. I mean, we've got the Trinity angle, but it is everything of who God is right is embodied in the Christ. Exactly right for sure, exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

Yeah, and I mean, you know, you started at the baptism, you start it in the idea of God saying, here's the guy that you need to listen to. I mean, and you can go into all kinds of ideas. John 10, we had talked about, and and I know a lot of these verses are going to be universally used in our descriptions of who Jesus is. But one of the things that I think is so interesting is not only did the Father say that he was the Son, not only did Peter say that he was the Son, but the demons said it. I mean, we're talking about spiritual beings recognize who he is. The the one that we had talked about was Mark, uh Mark chapter five, and I want to just read uh this is no pun intended six and seven, but um so it says when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped him, and he cried out with a loud voice and said, What have I to do with you? Listen, Jesus, son of the most high God. I mean, there wasn't even any doubt. I mean, I have heard people debate this idea and talk about, you know, Jesus didn't say that he was the son of God and all of these things. The demons declare without a doubt, I mean, from afar off. I mean, they are scared, they recognize who he is, and there is something to that.

SPEAKER_07 11:52

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

I mean, that just to, you know, I I try to get in Peter's mind. I find myself being him sometimes just so gung-ho, but there was no doubt in his mind, because you remember even in John 6, he says, Where else are we gonna go, man? Like you're the one who has the words. Well, we know that you are the Christ, and but we also know you're the son of God, man. You are God in the flesh. Like, where else will we go to find information to help me in my life or to find success, you know? And I think that um just that statement has been an encouragement to me, even talking about this. What have I to do with you, Jesus? He declares his name, and then he says, Son of God, you know, you are the son of God. Like, uh, why are you here? Are you gonna do something to me right now? So there's something different about him, um, where demons are even trimmed. We were laughing about that Acts 19 where those Jewish guys come and they're trying to do things in Jesus' name, and the evil spirit says, Jesus, I know, Paul I know. You, I don't even know who you are.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

You out of here.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

I mean, what who are what are you trying to do? You know, it was like, but that they know who he is, and I think there's something special to that. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Well, even, you know, in James 2. Even yeah, even Satan himself, the devil, believed. He he recognizes. They know, and and and it brings about a shudder in front of him, yeah, right? James 2, 21. And so even in Mark chapter 5, it just reminds me, and when it says, uh, what business do you have to do with each other? It was a legion. Yep. You remember? It was a legion, many, exactly. It wasn't like one recognizing that. And uh it was it was many, as it says down in uh, what is it, about verse 15 or so? That they uh 2,000.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

Yeah. Remember we talked about 2,000 of them demons recognize who Jesus was immediately.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Exactly.

Miracles That Demand A Decision

SPEAKER_03 14:08

I mean, there's something about that. Um, but it wasn't even the baptism, the the demons, Peter, and even, you know, the miracles, you know, when Jesus talked about that a lot, he would say, Don't my works prove who I am? You know, like don't the things that I do, they pro they prove that I'm, you know, the Son of God as well. And he even makes the statement in John chapter 11, um, when he's talking about uh to Lazarus, he says, let me read that real quick. He makes this statement. He says, When Jesus heard that, you know, in verse 3 he says, Therefore the sisters sent to him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom you love is sick. In verse 4, he says, When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it. You know, I've heard a lot of times that Jesus didn't ever refer to himself as the Son of God, but I think he said it right there. I mean, he made a declaration right there in that moment, and he's the the father and the son are in this, you know, they are in connection with each other, and God is going to be glorified through the son. You know, I there's too much evidence if if we go to the scripture and allow it to just breathe out. It there's too much evidence to show that he is who he says he is. Yeah. And he says who he is who the Bible says he is, you know? So I think that that's uh pretty cool to me.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Oh, man. So I I I guess next, let's say this on a more personal, individualized level for believers today, because once we make that decision that, okay, I'm going to become a Christian, I'm going to follow Christ, our confession is I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. So what what does that mean? Like, what's a practical takeaway from us saying part of who Jesus is is he is the Son of God.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

Well, I think that, you know, this means, and we we got this wrote down. I think this may be a kickoff for that, that Jesus is divine. Like there's there's something to him. And I I want to read uh Hebrews chapter one. I want to just read this for a second when you're talking about that. My mind is like spinning now. Um it says, but to the Son, this is verse eight, he says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is in the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Therefore, God your God has anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions. So when I confess that Jesus is the Son of God, what I'm recognizing is that I belong to this kingdom. That He has been, I mean, it says, therefore, God your God has anointed you with the oil of gladness. Like this is something that is to be enjoyed by everybody, by God the Father, the Spirit, Jesus, us. This is something that we connect to. And notice he goes on to say, You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain, and they will all grow old like a garment, like a cloak, you will fold them up, and they will be changed, but you are the same, and your years will not fail. But to which of the angels has he ever said, Sit at my right hand. So you've got your confession is uh you're you say that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and all of these blessings, all of these things come with that, and you become connected to it. So I think, you know, I talked about this uh in a sermon not too long ago about the the helmet of salvation. And the reason why that helmet of salvation becomes such a powerful thing is because I connect to Jesus and him being the Son of God is for whatever reason, that was what we confess. I mean, that's what we say, and he says, if you confess my name before men, I will confess your name before my father in heaven. I mean, that is a big deal connection, and he can do that because he's at the right hand of God. I mean, what in the world is happening? You know, when people don't want to accept that, I think that it it it it really does um bring up this idea of why are you not wanting to accept that? Like what is the reasoning behind that?

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Because you look at scripture, I mean, it's one thing to say the son of God, he is the son of God, I am the son of God, meaning the father's one, John 10 30.

SPEAKER_07 19:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Okay, but when you really look at his life and you look at what he did, not just what he said, yeah, but you look at his life and what he did and the power that he had. That's the power, you know. You made a reference a few moments ago to about Lazarus, and he said, you know, he waited and waited the days to go. And because there was a reason that you're gonna see the glory of God, and the son is gonna be glorified. Well, if you go on down, what you're gonna see is a power that belonged to God's Son, we know is Jesus, right? Uh, and that power belongs only to God. Because look down in verse 39 and following what happened.

SPEAKER_04 20:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Lazarus had passed away, right? He's gone. And in verse 39 of John 11, Jesus gets on the scene and he said, Remove the stones. Now you want to see power. Watch this. Martha, the sister, grieving, obviously, right? Grieving because of the death of her brother of the deceased, said, Lord, you know by this time, you need to be thinking about what you're about to do. Because there's going to be an odor. There's a stench. There's a stench. There's a stench, it says, for he has been dead four days. Jesus said in verse 40, Did I not say to you, back in verse four that we read earlier, if you believe, you will see the glory of God? So they removed the stone. Jesus raised his eyes and said, Father. Yep. Relationship. Come on. Son, Father, I thank you that you have heard me. And I knew that you will always hear me, but because of the people standing around, I said. So why? So that they may believe there's a reason that you sent me. When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And the man who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrapping, and his face was wrapped around with a cloth. Jesus said, Unbind him and let him go. Now, when you look at that evidence and you consider that just one, one situation, it's a Power that he had that only belongs to God. That's right. And Jesus said, you know, I didn't have to go call to my father, but for you guys' benefit that's standing around here, this is for you. Why? That you can believe. Remember, we started a few moments ago? We can either accept or reject. We can either believe it or fail to believe it. But you know that's nothing new, guys. Did the same thing in the New Testament, didn't he?

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

You remember time and time again, scribes and the Pharisees were doing what?

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Accusing Jesus of blasphemy every time.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

I mean, you know, blasphemy. Why? Because he was doing the things that only God could do. Right? I mean, and then they go, oh, blasphemy, blasphemy. You know, look at Mark chapter 2. That's a great example. I mean, when you look at Mark 2.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

He's reading minds and everything, ain't he?

unknown 22:56

Exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

I think you think about this guy. How do you know that?

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Exactly right. I mean, just think about that in Mark 2. Jesus see in their faith, the guys, the four friends who brought Jesus to the paralytic man to Jesus. And some of the scribes will sit in there and notice this. This is always scary, reasoning in their hearts. Uh oh. Yep, been there. Yep, done that. Unfortunately. So he says, he's got a question. Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming. Who can forgive sins? Watch these three words. But God alone. Now here's the thing, guys. They're right.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

They were correct.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Okay. And that's why it was blowing their minds. Exactly. And instead of accepting it, what'd they do? They missed it. They missed what we just said earlier in our beginning of our episode today. They missed the whole point. He is the son of God. You know?

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Um well and and the the conversation that that we're having, my mind just keeps going to the how much father is revealed through son. Yeah. And you think about parent-child relationships today, I mean, you have some where it's like, oh, that's definitely your child, either by appearance or by action. And at times you're like, y'all are related. Um, but regardless of circumstance, I there there are similarities between parent and child. But I I think with Jesus, it's even more so because we think about everything that God is, is revealed in Jesus. For sure. It's love, it's sacrifice, it's uh, I mean, you think about the I Am series we did last year. You think about uh everything in the Sermon on the Mount, you think about just all of it is revealed in Christ. It it's Wayne. I know you give kind of the mirror window analogy, but but it's even more than a than a mirror. It's like a direct copy. It's all right. God is the uh like the template and and Jesus is just that exact copy of it. And it reveals so much to us ultimately, I think in John 14, where it's you get to God through me because I'm Him, I'm in Him, He's in me, and if you want to be in us, believe in me, and I'll get you to Him. Um, and I I just that's kind of where my mind has been, just on how much Jesus as the Son of God is really Jesus as God in so many ways.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

You keep talking about the that idea of him being God, and I'm as you're saying this, I keep going to Philippians where he humbled himself, not considering it robbery to be equal with God. So, you know, you you always have this, and it always is like you feel like you figure it out, and then you're like, oh, I'm so far away from it. So I'm at a moment right now where I feel like I've got it figured out a little bit, it's dangerous. But Jesus decides that he is going to become a human being. So he submits himself to be a son and he submits himself to live in a way. He has the power to do all things, he has the power to do anything. Everything is held in his hand, and he submits himself to show us exactly what it looks like. So then when he comes on the scene, that is the you know, it gets into that Mark chapter two, or I had preached about this before, where Jesus gets in the boat and they got they're reasoning in their heads too, and they're like, We only got one loaf. And he's like, Really, guys, like I just fed 5,000, 4,000. I mean, we've fed thousands of people, and y'all worried about one loaf of bread and y'all gonna starve. I'm telling you, watch out for these Pharisees because of the things that they're saying. And what they're saying to you is, I'm not the person that I am. And his submission to allowing himself to come and do these things as a human being, there's so much joy in the Father, too, because I mean, and and it kind of goes back into that Hebrews deal. He says, God, your God, anoints you because I am so pleased that you are willing to do this. And and it's almost like, you know, you were talking about that father-son analogy. It the you become connected in that because it's like, I gotta let you do it. Like I can tell you what to do, but I'm not forcing you to do it. Like you've submitted to do this. And he even had those hard moments where he's like, okay, wait a minute. Let's just pass it. Is there a plan B? Wait a minute, this just got real. You know, it was like the the flesh part, he knew it. He knew what was gonna happen, he knew he was gonna be resurrected, but he forced himself. This is why I love this man. He forced himself to live through it.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah, the cross didn't slip up on him.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

It did not slip.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

He knew. What even warned his followers? Oh, man. But you know, when you were talking about a moment ago about the the exact image and all, I mean, that's exactly what Hebrews 1.3 says. For sure. That he is the exact image. And one of the clearest things that I can relate to that is, you know, today we have preschool here and our teachers are preparing for the kids. And they go in there to the office and they they're going to make a copy. And, you know, I I saw some of them this morning. They were making copies, and they put a, you know, I think it was a picture of a duck or something so that so that some of the kids could color. And you know what? When they put that paper in there, and you know what happened? They put a duck on the copier, and what came out was a squirrel.

SPEAKER_07 29:09

Well, you know, better.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

What came out was the exact image of what's put in. And when you see Jesus, it's an exact image of God, like you were referring to a few moments ago.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Well, and and and I think another evening angle to think about this and is Matthew 17 with the transfiguration, because we we talked about the baptism. And again, really as Jesus' ministry is approaching the end, it's this is my beloved son, keep listening to it. Yeah, that's right. Like it it here's Moses, here's Elijah. Like they they've served their purpose, it was a good purpose, but they're done. That's right. Now it's Jesus, and and I love uh the wording in verse 8 when it says, and when they lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only. Because that that's the answer. It's Jesus only. That's it. If you want God, it's Jesus only. If you want peace, if you want love, if you want salvation, I mean it's Jesus only.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah. And what we said a while ago, you know, it's Jesus as a son of God is the getting known place. Yep. And accepting that and believing that. You know, and and we were talking earlier this morning, Matt and I, you it this is a big deal, guys. I mean, it really is a big deal when you think about just some of this. I mean, we could, you know, there's a lot more that we could talk. But just for what we've talked today, it's a big deal for what we're talking about, guys, that he is the son of God.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

Yeah. Uh, you talking about that uh 2 Peter 1 for we verse 16. We did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. Now he could talk about all the things. He could talk about all the things that, you know, anything that Jesus did. And this is what he says, for we received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to him from the excellent glory. This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased. He could have said anything, and that's what he decided to use. And he says, and when we heard this voice which came from heaven, we were with him on the holy mountain, and we got the prophetic word. This ain't no fable, this is real, and we heard it, and that's what he said he was. So we're gonna believe that and follow him. I mean, it is just you won't get on, this is what you got to believe.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

And if you don't, you just watch it go by.

Evidence For Skeptics And Seeking Hearts

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Man, so I I I know both of you currently and really throughout your careers in ministry, have talked to a lot of people of different backgrounds and beliefs and levels of understanding. And I'm sure there have been several that have had a hard time getting to the point where they say, I believe Jesus is the Son of God. And while ultimately it it's up to each person to make that decision. Have you all seen any recurring themes of either reservations people have or themes of this is what seals it, this is what makes someone go from a non-believer to a believer.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

Um I think for me, like really dependent upon the person and kind of what they're going through, but I do think the the beauty of, especially if somebody's honest in understanding who you know Jesus is and recognizing the significance and the power of the word, when I start showing people Jesus for who he is and what he's done, and then the idea kind of like we're talking about giving those illustrations of you know, demons believe, like the miracles prove it, like the father said it twice. You know, like if if you have just a a kind of a love and appreciation for the word and you know, maybe Christianity, then usually it's like, oh, you got me.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Yeah, and and you know, m I guess my experience too has been exactly that. But then sometimes I think you would see this too, Matt, that and then that it takes more than just one aspect of it. You know, we've just talked about one thing, the Son of God, as huge as that is, but sometimes it takes it's kind of like layers. You know, then when you and what we're gonna be talking about in the next coming episodes, a few episodes, you know, it's a combination of things, and it begins to weigh them down with evidence, and they go, Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. That's acceptable, that's believable, that's real. Yeah. But you know, that's what kind of what it's been with me. It's not just been one specific thing. Yeah. You know, it's it's just you keep revealing, revealing, and to an honest heart, you know, and a seeking heart, then it goes, oh, then it registers.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

I think about like Paul when he's talking to Tabitha or Pete. Who was talking to that boy? Or that girl?

SPEAKER_04 34:28

I thought that was with her.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

That was with you, went. Well, when one of them was talking to Tabitha, but you remember her heart was opened up. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I'm just like, the the beauty of that is like what all aspects were being brought to open that heart up. You know, it may have been just that one thing, but I think you're right, that that combination of just who Jesus is and what he brings to the table, you know, there is no doubt he's the son of God. But, you know, in the next ones, we're talking about being savior and being Lord, and you know, like there is there is so much more, and it becomes so heavy. It's a total package. Man, he is the total package.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

Well, and I think too, like, uh, so I grew up in church and have just kind of grown in belief from the beginning, but uh I'm a pretty skeptical guy, I feel like. And I think about sure. And I've and I've got some people in mind uh that are newer to church of like if I did not have this background, I think I would have a hard time getting to the point of where I can say from virgin birth to empty tomb and everything in between, yeah, it's real just because it's like a virgin birth, that's impossible. Or like raising someone from the dead, that is impossible. Of kind of getting over those logical mental hurdles to the point of where heart is ahead of mind that says, This is the person who was there in the beginning when the earth was empty, and this is the one who crafted it all together and came and said, Yeah, follow me. Yeah, and and and so I I have a respect for people that that don't have a background of Christianity and they're able to get there and then to see the the things that that does in their life, I think is is very powerful confirmation for the truth of the word. Exactly, exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Yeah, I've known people that have, you know, I mean, you guys do, that are like, I didn't believe at all, didn't raise up in any type of you know, religious background, and I mean them boys is on fire.

SPEAKER_07 36:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

And it's like, man, how'd you get to that point? And it's just kind of like you just allowing, and I think that you know, the word of God, it it really is living and it's powerful uh in just the way that it begins to kind of like we're doing right now, it starts chipping away and just opening that opportunity for okay, wait a minute, I've never thought about that really. And you're saying that this is the guy who did it, and it's like, yeah, bro, I'm saying this guy did it. You know? So that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

So as we uh I don't want to say wrap up because I I want to make sure we have plenty of time to discuss, but are there other elements of Jesus as the Son of God that you all want to bring up or talk through?

Closing And Where To Connect

SPEAKER_03 37:42

No, I f I mean I think that we wrote this down and I said it earlier. Jesus is divine and Jesus is human, and he is a one of a kind man. And for him to submit to be a human being, knowing what he had. I mean, he says it in John 17. I cannot wait, I'm paraphrasing, I can't wait to get back with you with what we had at the very I mean, he's wanting to go back. So for him to say that, it's something incredible, that relationship that was just not intact fully. But for him to come and, you know, truly submit to live the perfect life, do all of those things, and we'll discuss all that, but like, you know, demons recognized it, humans recognize it, the father recognizes it, Jesus himself recognizes it. We should recognize it too. Who are you to not recognize it? Exactly. Like, why are you not recognizing it? Like, like, you know, and I think that it's it kind of gets into that Paul idea, like, as Christ were pleading through us or God's pleading through us, like, man, you gotta be reconciled to God because this is not a joke. Like, this is the real deal.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

So anything else from now? Thanks for it. It's been great, guys. I've been enjoying it. Yeah, it was good, man.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

So we enjoyed it. Hopefully, you did too, and uh, we'll do the same thing next episode and try to keep answering that question of who is Jesus. So take care and be blessed. God bless.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

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