Speaker 1: 0:06

Hello friends and welcome to the Rooted and Grounded podcast. Good to be with you today, matt what up.

Speaker 2: 0:12

Wayne. Hey man, how are you?

Speaker 1: 0:14

Good, good, good deal. Looking forward to kind of starting a new direction on the podcast today, as we begin a series talking about the resurrection, the ascension, heaven, essentially the end of times, or maybe the beginning of time, um. So, with that being said, um, let me ask you this question I know it puts you on the spot Um, a little bit of a sports question, so, wayne don't want to, don't, don't want to exclude you on this one but um, do you have a favorite victory?

Speaker 1: 0:45

Do you have a favorite victory? Yeah, I do what is it so?

Speaker 3: 0:50

my junior year high school played Father Ryan. Yes, just got some new contacts and the right one didn't work, so I just took them out and I scored 35 points. It's a good victory.

Speaker 2: 1:08

It sounds like it yeah, 35 points In one game.

Speaker 1: 1:13

One, or is that for the?

Speaker 2: 1:15

season.

Speaker 3: 1:16

What are you saying?

Speaker 2: 1:17

It was a tournament A weekend tournament For the weekend tournament.

Speaker 3: 1:23

We played five games, but yeah, so you have seven points a game. It's not bad average.

Speaker 2: 1:30

You know there's guys getting millions, not averaging much more than that, exactly, okay mine was more of uh, when I was playing golf a little bit had a fella that just kept wanting to you. You know always wanting to challenge. Let's play. I want to play you, man. I said let's just go out and have fun. Okay, enjoy it. No, I want to play you. I said okay, whenever you want to. I said I can't next week. I got a meeting, blah, blah, blah. So I come back in town and we said you're going to play this week? And he said no, I've been practicing and I'm not hitting it good. And I said okay, let me know. And because I never practiced and I said okay.

Speaker 2: 2:09

So he came to me like two weeks hey man, I've been practicing, I'm ready to play. I said okay, when you want to play? He said a day. So we go out and we play the front nine and we both played really well, really well for us. I had him down one stroke and he said oh man, I'm so pumped about this. I've never been this close to just one stroke within after nine holes and I was just tired of hearing him. You know, I knew he didn't have a head game. So I said dude, we're just now getting coke and a pack of cookies. We got nine more holes and I've never seen you put two nines together. I've seen you play a good nine, like you just did, but I've never seen you follow it up. So maybe you will. Well, we come out and he throws a 49 on me and I showed a 39 on him. There we go. Only got him by 11.

Speaker 1: 3:00

And let me just say that was our last game.

Speaker 3: 3:07

That's a good dove right there. Boy Retired the boy.

Speaker 2: 3:12

At an early age.

Speaker 1: 3:16

Mine is not personal. I used to be a really big NASCAR fan. Okay, so you want to hop in the time machine back to 2007. The Daytona 500 was going. It was running late. I was in the back 40 parking lot of Mount Juliet listening on the radio and last lap, from seventh to first, my favorite driver was Kevin Harvick. He won by just inches, but I remember just being very excited about that one.

Speaker 2: 3:50

How about that? Yeah, so yeah that was close, wasn't it? Yes, yes, I remember that race.

Speaker 1: 3:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 3:57

So we ask this because we are going to be talking about victory really in its purest form, and that is, the different victories that Christ has, and we see that it's a victory over everything, because it's a victory over sin, it's a victory over life, it's a victory over death, it's a victory over eternity, it is a victory over everything, and I'm excited for us to begin this conversation today talking about the resurrection.

Speaker 1: 4:22

And so, this episode, let's look at the resurrection of Jesus, and then, as we build on that next episode, we'll transition and start looking at the resurrection that you and I will get to experience at the end when Christ returns. And so, if you want to follow along, let's start in 1 Corinthians, chapter 15, and let's read the first four verses. Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel. I preach to you what you received and what you stand in, by which you are being saved if you hold fast to the word I preach to you, unless you believed in vain, for I delivered to you, as a first importance, what Paul does here, especially in verses 3 and 4, he preaches the gospel.

Speaker 1: 5:21

I mean that's it in its shortest and simplest form, that Christ came, he died and he rose again. And so, as we think about this, wayne, talk to us kind of how this is just so consistent with the rest of Scripture, because God talks about a lot of things before they happen and then they happen, and so do you want to kind of talk to us how Paul is setting this up in the message he's giving with the resurrection?

Speaker 2: 5:48

Yes, because when you go back and look I mean you look at the Old Testament and even what Christ said a number of times I mean, guys, the resurrection wasn't just something that was just kind of happening accidentally, right. I mean, it was something that wasn't a surprise really. I mean, nobody should have been shocked by it. Because when you go back and look at Scripture, what you find, even with Christ himself, it was something that he kept telling those disciples and his followers, especially the apostles. You know, like, guys, this is what's going to happen, this is going to come down. It's going to come down like this, because I promise you this is going to occur. And so, really, when you go back and look and I'm not being surprised because it was promised, but also it was predicted and it was prophesied but the amazing thing is is, after all of that, you know, it's like we serve such a wonderful God. You know, matt, and I have said it, you've said it, matt, in lessons before we are grateful that we have a promise-making and a promise-keeping God in heaven. That's right. And so what we find is the promises are nothing unless they're fulfilled, you know, unless you keep your word. You make all kinds of promises, but what if you don't have the ability or the power to make sure that they come to a fulfillment or to a fruition? And that's exactly what we see.

Speaker 2: 7:02

That Paul says look, here's what I'm declaring, and I find it interesting that he uses the word I deliver to you among the first importance. In other words, let's not miss this. Why? Because it's been promised, it's been prophesied, it's been talked about. It's not a shock that this is happening. God's just keeping his word, as he always does, right, there's always. God is going to keep his word for us. And so when you think about that God's word so many times in Scripture fulfills, because really it precedes the event. You know I might be good at telling you something that has happened, that I was there. You know kind of what we were talking about. You still remember your occasion. You remember that that I was there. You know kind of what we were talking about. You still remember your occasion. You remember that because you were there. Well, what if I had asked you in 2005 about that race? You'd been as lost as last year's Easter egg, right.

Speaker 3: 7:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 7:56

And you would have been if we'd asked you the season before, or even the game before, how many points are you going to score? I'll tell you afterwards.

Speaker 3: 8:03

Yeah Right, even in the locker room, when my contacts was messed up, you know it's like well, I ain't going to be able to score none, right.

Speaker 2: 8:11

You know, I would have kept them messed up by then.

Speaker 3: 8:13

I know I was like I don't need glasses, but see, here's the whole thing, god's Word precedes the event.

Speaker 2: 8:21

God said and what it happened? It happened, yeah, exactly like you said.

Speaker 3: 8:31

And you know there's other cases like that that you see in Scripture, like Noah's. Ark yeah yeah, you know, God warned Noah rain's coming. He don't even know really what that is.

Speaker 2: 8:40

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 8:41

And then rain came.

Speaker 2: 8:42

Right, and you know we shouldn't be shocked at that. Right, what that is Exactly. And then rain came Right, and you know we shouldn't be shocked at that Right, because God said it and it happened.

Speaker 2: 8:49

You know, there's other occasions you think about what about Abraham? Mm-hmm, what'd God say? He's going to give you a son, right? And they cry to help God out and that turned into a disaster. But then he promised his son and Isaac came. I mean, there's just so many occasions like that, I mean even with God's people as a whole. You know, in the Old Testament, what did God keep telling them about, prophet after prophet after prophet Yep, listen to me, follow my word. And God says you know, if you don't, it's going to be what it's going to be some captivity.

Speaker 2: 9:28

And it happened Just exactly the way God said, and you know what the resurrection did. Exactly the way God said. That's right, yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:35

Well, but I think this brings up an interesting point and, matt, I want to get your thoughts on this, because, as humans, we are so complex and so stupid, foolish ones.

Speaker 3: 9:49

For the bluntest word possible.

Speaker 1: 9:52

And we can hear something and we can know something, but a lot of times until we experience it, it just doesn't click.

Speaker 1: 9:58

And so God may say here's what's going to happen, and you may hear it and you may understand it, but it doesn't click until it does. And it's this way with anything, even beyond the Word of God. And so, as we think about the resurrection and looking at the apostles and kind of the doubt that they had once it occurred, how do we work through that? Or what do we see in Scripture about taking what God says and believing it and living it before we learn after the fact, before we learn after the fact.

Speaker 3: 10:28

Well, you think about when you're talking about the cross and the resurrection. One of the things that we wrote down was Psalm 1610, which is a psalm that talks about you won't let your holy one see corruption.

Speaker 3: 10:46

And you see another scripture in Isaiah 53. We use it a lot, you know, when people are presiding over the table. But god and this was a layer that me and wayne, as we were making preparation for this it just it started to, it was a little thought and then it just began to grow inside of me and it's continually blowing my mind. God is always preparing his people to believe the impossible. And you see that from the very beginning, to believe that God created all of this, to believe that there was a flood, to believe that God, you know, god opened up the Red Sea, to believe that, you know, god did all of these things in time and what he was doing was making sure that, you know, the people understood that there was safety and comfort in him and in his words. And it was like, have I not said and not done? Like when have I ever not done what I said I was going to do? And you follow that story of the children of Israel all the way to even to Jesus. But God's promises, they always would come, and then the proof would happen, you know. And so I think, getting into this idea of the resurrection, when Jesus said, um, in Mark 9, 31, all arise on the third day.

Speaker 3: 12:19

The disciples heard that, but they're like, I mean, what were they thinking Like? What are you talking about? Like, what were they thinking? Like? What are you talking about? Like, what does that mean? You know, there was this understanding maybe of you know okay, he's saying something and maybe I believe it but the reason why there was doubt was because they didn't have the full understanding of it. What an application.

Speaker 3: 12:46

Man Like here I am sitting here reading this Bible and I'm reading, you know, the book of Proverbs, like we was talking about. Or I'm reading, you know these beatitudes that I'm supposed to be a part of, and it's like, yeah, I mean, I'm going to be a peacemaker but, depending on the situation, will be really according to how I do. That, you know, and I make these justifications and it's like, no, he said be a peacemaker. Like you, go make peace, like that's what I'm asking you to do, and you know. Then you just start pulling in all these other ideas where Jesus says if you love me, you do what I say. If you hear what I say and do what I say, you're like a wise man on a rock, you know, and it's like now I'm collecting all this evidence and then, when it comes to the resurrection, he's going to get on to him.

Speaker 3: 13:41

And we're going to talk about that. But you know, the disciples should have believed him and it wasn't because they understood the how, but they should have understood who was speaking. I mean that to me is that's the difference, mike? It hits me in my heart man, exactly right.

Speaker 3: 14:00

That hits me in my heart. I mean, I'm just saying this truthfully. That hits me in my heart because I'm like, why do I doubt it? Why, when he's setting it up for me to be able to be confident in it, and yet I find myself doing the very same thing as these guys and I'm like maybe it'll work out. And Jesus said I will, I will.

Speaker 2: 14:25

I mean, it's not like, hey guys I'm thinking about or we're considering Me and my Father in heaven are considering, you know he may bring me one day out of the grave. No, I will. Yeah, three days, I'm out, exactly right. And you know, and that's the thing about God he always, you know, he always has promises. Come before the proof, he told him it was going to happen. And then what? Which, to me, establishes our faith according to Hebrews 11. It just gives us a solid, firm foundation to which we can plan upon.

Speaker 1: 14:57

So, wayne, I know you're already open to Luke 24. Do you want to read verses 6 through 8 and talk us through that?

Speaker 2: 15:04

Yeah, Roger says he is not here, but he has risen. Remember how he spoke to you while he was still in Galilee. In other words, this is not the first time you guys have heard this Saying that the Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and he'll be crucified and the third day guess what he will rise again. He says and they remembered his words. And so when you think about that, you know it's amazing to me when you look at those words. I've always looked at it and said you know, the evidence of the resurrection was what? That tomb, the empty tomb. Right, that's right. And the angel said he's not here.

Speaker 2: 15:46

But here's something that's unique about that passage, guys. To me it's just so powerful. You know, matthew said a while ago it kind of hits you in the heart. This passage hits you right there because it says remember how he spoke to you that this was going to happen. I mean, guys, you stop and think about that. That's pretty powerful, really, because he didn't say okay, he's not here, so you should know. No, he gives some confidence because of what God had said, in other words, the words of Jesus, god in the flesh, that you had those words and the fact that you don't have to see that he's gone, you don't have to say, oh, the tomb is empty. No, you should have known it was going to happen. Why?

Speaker 3: 16:34

He already said it. He told you.

Speaker 2: 16:36

Well.

Speaker 3: 16:36

I mean think about what Jesus does in his temptation. I mean, what's the very first thing that he does?

Speaker 2: 16:43

It's written.

Speaker 3: 16:44

It's the same thing. I mean, he says he is not here, but he is risen, verse 6.

Speaker 3: 16:50

And the very first thing. It's just what you said. The first thing he doesn't appeal to them or he doesn't try to get them pulled in because the tomb's empty. Of course they see that, but he doesn't dwell on that. Very first. The very first thing that he says is didn't y'all listen to what he said? That's correct, like he told y'all. Listen to what he said. He told y'all, he specifically told you that this was going to happen.

Speaker 3: 17:13

And here you guys are and you're like what's happening, what's going on? I mean that application for our lives is God tells me to not do this or this is going to happen. And then I do it. And then I'm like well, how come this happened to me? Well, didn't you, don't you remember what the word said to you? Like, don't you remember? Like I'm I'm really just um amazed at this, this angle of thought on the resurrection, um, because a lot of times I preach from that empty tomb concept and no doubt the tomb's empty. I'm with that and I preach that and I think it's true and I think that's what we need to do. But I think the strength of that is what this angel says Don't you remember what he said? Don't you remember that he said the Son of man will be delivered into the hands of sinful men. That happened Be crucified. They know that. And on the third day, rise again, and I think it's just powerful, verse 8. Oh, then they remembered.

Speaker 1: 18:20

Light went off, but this is the women, the women remembered. Because if you go down yes, for sure, and you look at verse 11, they went and they told the apostles, but these words seemed to the apostles an idle tale.

Speaker 3: 18:37

They still didn't want it and they did not believe. They still didn't want it.

Speaker 1: 18:40

And so they required going and seeing the tomb. They were the ones that had to put their hands in the holes, they were the ones that had to have that interaction with the risen Lord, and I think it's a testament to the faith of the women who were present at the tomb. But also I think it is a very good lesson for all of us of. You've got to believe the Word, and if not, the resurrection becomes an idle tale. And if it is just an idle tale it's no different than jacking the beanstalk.

Speaker 2: 19:11

It's worthless, that's right.

Speaker 1: 19:12

But when we believe it and we remember, then the resurrection becomes our source of life.

Speaker 3: 19:19

Yeah, it becomes a reality that you know, starts, it springs truly, like Jesus said, it springs to life, the idea of you know, living for him and that he has done something for us. And I know we're going to elaborate on that a little bit more. But when, when you don't remember what Jesus said, it could be that you possibly aren't filling yourself with those words and maybe you're doing the thing that we all struggle with. I mean, I would struggle with that too, letting it go in one ear and out the other. I have my Bible reading and I read it.

Speaker 3: 20:06

Am I trying to keep it inside or is it just coming right through, just like you were saying with the apostles? It's like I mean, I got to see it before I believe it, man, but I appreciate the idea and the thought of bringing up this. You know the women. They remembered the words and there was confidence in that. Jesus knew the words when he was tempted and it gave him confidence. Like we didn't do this. But we could probably build a whole lesson on the idea of people remembering those words and proclaiming those words and that confidence coming out of that person.

Speaker 1: 20:46

Well, and I think this is a fun conversation to have, because what were the apostles' mindset like during the time Jesus was in the tomb? Is it defeated, is it a? This was a good three years and I'm going to go back fishing and I'm going to go back and being a zealot and all these things, or is it what's next? I mean, you just don't know what frame of mind they're in, but you know enough to know that it's not exactly where they need to be and that builds, and you see that culminating in Acts, once they get the Holy Spirit, and then they're ready and they go and they spread the gospel around the world. So let's kind of shift gears and go from Luke to Matthew, because Jesus, as we've been saying, the word comes before the action and so several times he talks about the reality of his resurrection. So in Matthew 16, verse 21, it says From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed and on the third day be raised.

Speaker 1: 21:59

Then, if you want to skip over to chapter 17 and look at verse 22 and verse 23, as they were gathering in Galilee, jesus said to them the son of man is about to be delivered into the hands of men and they will kill him and he will be raised on the third day.

Speaker 1: 22:16

And they were greatly distressed. And then one more in Matthew 20, beginning in verse 17. And as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the 12 disciples aside and on the way he said to them see, we are going up to Jerusalem and the son of man will be delivered over to the chief priest and scribes and they will condemn him to death and deliver him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified and he will be raised on the third day. And so, guys, take these three passages and these prophecies of Jesus and what they mean in the context of his resurrection, and then what possible application or teaching can we take from that for us as we work to either begin our belief in the resurrection or to deepen our belief in the resurrection?

Speaker 2: 23:05

Okay, you know, in Matthew 16, in all three of those passages it was like the first time and then just to reaffirm it with them, you know, maybe to deepen that trust or to deepen that faith and that belief, he tells them the second and the third time. And you know, I got to turn back and think about their reaction. In Luke 24, verse 25 through 27. There, because I can put myself in this position, because, you know, like all of us, we read the scripture and Matt talked about it a while ago I have my daily Bible reader, I have my daily verse that's coming blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2: 23:43

But verse 25, luke 24, he says and he said to them oh, foolish men, and look at this phrase, slow of heart, how many times I got to keep telling you guys, how many times I got to keep telling you guys, how many times I got to reaffirm this with you, you're slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken. And then he says to and was it necessary? Not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory? But here's one of the key things, guys, beginning with Moses, verse 27, you know, god said, beginning with moses and with all the prophets. He explained to them the things concerning himself in all the scriptures. Wouldn't you like to have that on video? Oh man, I need that lesson. Oh man, yeah, to hear christ, what he taught them all the way back from Moses and the prophets. And then, so it's no doubt when he comes, these three times in Matthew, chapter 16, 17, and 20, the impact that he says here in Luke 24 concerning himself.

Speaker 2: 24:53

But he just didn't say in Scripture, in all the Scriptures you know, go ahead. We've all said the Old Testament is talking about the coming messiah, yeah, and now he's here.

Speaker 3: 25:01

Well, we talked about the hook. The thing that, you know, people in this world struggle with, maybe that idea of believing in the resurrection, and I think for the believer, for the christian, for the child of god, this right here is the thing that gives that motivation, because I put this right here resurrection is believed, not because someone saw it, but because God said it, and his word never fails. When he expounded that, when he dropped that on them and they heard that, it was probably something that blew their mind and it created a confidence and we'll talk about in the next episode that transformed their life and so it was worth you know everything to them, because now, all of a sudden, they connected those dots. And so if I'm talking to somebody who is not a Christian, the way that I believe it, the way that I talk about it, is going to be huge in the evidence of that resurrection, because you are not going to talk about something that you truly believe in without a great passion and a great desire.

Speaker 3: 26:16

But I think that it all stems from right here, in this moment, when Jesus tells them and wanes on it, slow of heart, to believe all that was promised All the things that the prophet said, all the things that Moses said. They were all well equipped on those understandings. They'd been in synagogue, they'd been in all the things for all their life, passover, and all the stuff they heard, that knew it, was taught it. And now, all of a sudden, jesus just I mean, just like a kid's menu at the restaurant he connected all the dots and then brought them back to here. I am alive, yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:58

And you know, just on about connecting those dots. I just can't help but think about john too. Oh, you're talking about a dot for them to connect. Because in reality, what happened? You know? You remember there that jews came to christ and he said destroy this temple and I'll raise it up in three days. And they thought what? It took us years to build this big old temple. Man, they go away, whoa, you misunderstood. And he said the jews, it took us years to build this big old temple, man, they go whoa, whoa, whoa. You misunderstood. And he said the Jews said it took 46 years and you're going to do it in three days.

Speaker 2: 27:23

But then in verse 21,. But Jesus was speaking of the temple of his body. And then look at the impact of verse 22, guys. So when he was raised from the dead, the light bulbs went off, the horn started blowing. Notice, his disciples remembered that he had said this and they believed the Scripture and the words which Jesus had spoken. The same challenge for us. Yep, you want that hook, mm-hmm. Just simply believe the word which Jesus had spoken. That's right. And it hit them afterwards.

Speaker 1: 28:00

It's a transformative power, the word of God, exactly right, and we get to see it played out through scripture, but also we see that played out in life today, and when you follow it and you allow it to take root and to grow and to produce it changes you, it changes those around you, it changes everything and to produce.

Speaker 1: 28:19

it changes you and it changes those around you. It changes everything and you think about just like a month and a half later for the apostles, when Christ went into heaven and they received the Holy Spirit. Once you get that too.

Speaker 2: 28:27

I mean they hit the ground running.

Speaker 1: 28:30

And they start the church. And it's Jerusalem, judea, samaria, the ends of the earth in like 15 chapters Jerusalem, judea, samaria, the ends of the earth in 15 chapters. And so then we bring Paul into it and it's just a tremendous example of what the Word of God can do. And when we have the resurrection piece, and we believe in that resurrection piece, then we too have that same goal, we have that same focus, we have that same power living in us, have that same goal, we have that same focus, we have that same power living in us.

Speaker 3: 29:04

Yeah, I, you know, um, I want to read this our faith in the resurrection stands, not because we were there, but eternal but there. But the eternal God has spoken. Um, I think, application for me even now, going forward and you know I spend a lot of time talking to people about Jesus and who he is and what he's done in my life, and I think that just this is an added weapon for me. I know this and I talk about it and I use the scriptures, but just that confirmation and that confidence to speak, I mean knowing that his word is more reliable than sight, and truly go with what Paul says is that we walk by faith, not by sight, because I believe in the one who makes things, or says things are going to happen, and then they happen.

Speaker 3: 29:54

Circling back to what Wayne said, there's no way that I can tell anybody what's going to happen in five minutes or in 10 or 15.

Speaker 3: 30:03

But this guy spoke about thousands of years and he talked about things that would happen in the immediate.

Speaker 3: 30:11

He can just tell you what's going to happen and when that becomes the person you follow, we all can sit right here at the table and everybody who's listening can say that we've seen God work in our lives. And it all is based off of and truly comes from this idea of the good news that Paul said I declare to you, which you heard me preach, which you believe, what you stand in and what saves you. So the question then becomes are you truly believing it or are you believing in vain? Because if you're believing in vain, then no wonder you're not able to move or speak or talk about it. I think that that's something that, from know from genesis one to the book of in the revelation, I mean god has set something in motion that can control us, and control us in a way that allows us to be better than we ever thought we could be, if we allow it if we believe it and the reason you know life lesson and the reason that we take God as his word is I mean 1 Peter 1,.

Speaker 2: 31:22

The word of the Lord. All flesh is grace like that. We know that it's going to pass away Verse 25, but the word of the Lord endures forever, yep, and it's living and active and sharper than a two-edged sword. And the apostles got that living and active and sharper than in two-edged sword. And the apostles got that. Even though they'd been told and instructed, they finally got that moment where it happened.

Speaker 1: 31:48

Well, and I think that this is a good, maybe stopping point for this episode as we work on bringing the resurrection of Christ to a close and get ready to look at resurrection with the apostles and with us in the next episode. So, guys, make it real. And, matt, I know you've already touched on this a little bit, but what are the takeaways for this episode?

Speaker 3: 32:05

Big application for me personally, I'll just admit it.

Speaker 3: 32:10

You know, I think that a lot of times I believe this book and I love this book and I follow this book. But I think that you know, just in studying this, when I think about Isaiah 53 and I've done studies with people on Psalm 22, you know, and talking about this idea of who Jesus was and you know what he came to do, it's all in the scripture and I need to even more so recognize the power of the word of God and I love it and I proclaim it. But it just gives me another level of motivation. It's that Hebrews, chapter four. You know that two edged sword. It's that hebrews, chapter 4, you know that two-edged sword, like not just saying those words but truly believe in those words. And I think that when people see that in you it's a game, it's like I may need to get in on what you're doing, like what are you talking about? You know, and I think this kind of builds into to the next episode, because we see some guys that are about it.

Speaker 2: 33:19

You know, because of that word, the word that they finally remembered, yeah, so yeah, and I think, just to kind of piggyback on what you said, the reason that we dig deeper and have that conviction, even on the individual lives, is Romans 1, 4. Jesus declared to be the son of God with power. How by the resurrection. That's right. 1.4. Jesus declared to be the Son of God with power. How by the resurrection. That's right, yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:41

And the verse that's really stood out to me getting ready for this is 1 Corinthians 15.17.

Speaker 2: 33:47

It kind of goes with what you just shared.

Speaker 1: 33:49

If Christ has not been raised from the dead, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Amen, yep, that's right. There is nothing more important than the resurrection, because if it didn't happen, what are we doing here? But it did, and we are and we believe and that is the motivation for it, and it can't be preached too many times, it can't be remembered too many times or thought about or talked about too many times, because this is it, this is what it is all built on. All right guys, great discussion.

Speaker 2: 34:16

We'll. This is it. This is what it is all built on.

Speaker 1: 34:18

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